Religious slurs acceptable

Tarafından yazıldı Exo-K, 21.05.2015 at 06:31

but if events are same as the bible then god is worse then every single criminal on this planet combined

Correct. Which is why religious people are such idiots. EVEN if he was real, he shouldn't be worshipped.

But we know he's not.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 21.05.2015 at 06:53

No, im not saying you should worship anyone, just dont invade anyone for their religion.

I rarely read more than the first sentence in your post. This time, even your first sentence is dumb as fuck.

It is religon who invades and froces people and threatens them with hell, not the other way around. Relgion imposes. If we push back we are not invading. YOU ARE.

I am now going to put you on mute. You're wasting space here. Shut up and let intelligent people talk.

Religion is funny on more than one count.

Belief and faith is a very strange way or explaining the world. If something cannot be demonstrated to exist beyond reasonable doubt, then for all anyone cares, it doesn't exist.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 22.05.2015 at 05:20

You mix Religion with faith and belief. Thats another common stereotype.

Clearly, you and I are using different vocabulary.

For the sake of discussion, let's clarify terms.

Define "religion" for me, if you would.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 22.05.2015 at 11:17

Adam was immortal until his sin
Metuselah lived 900 years
Noah lived 900 years
Average life today is 80 years

Therefore, people die until they reconnect to the source of life.

Someone give this guy his medicine before it's too late

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 22.05.2015 at 11:17

- Religion comes from latin word 'relegare' which mean 'reconnect'. People had bond with God in the past and now that bond is lost. Religion mean to reconnect to the source of life - Creator. Because if people are not connected, that mean they go to certain death.

Adam was immortal until his sin
Metuselah lived 900 years
Noah lived 900 years
Average life today is 80 years

Therefore, people die until they reconnect to the source of life.

I really can't find the "logic" in your words... Specially that last sentence... "people die until they reconnect"? They are continuosly dying?

Tarafından yazıldı Unleashed, 24.05.2015 at 15:59

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 22.05.2015 at 11:17

Adam was immortal until his sin
Metuselah lived 900 years
Noah lived 900 years
Average life today is 80 years

Therefore, people die until they reconnect to the source of life.

Someone give this guy his medicine before it's too late

Bullet is cheaper. Probably more effective, too.

EDIT: Before I get screamed at for being a horrible person who kills people at a whim, yes, that's a joke.

To make it sound less horrible, we can say that bullet is his medicine.

Nope, that sounds just as goo...I mean bad.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 04:44

As we can see, according to bible(torah) people lived 10 times longer back then. And science support that as i said above with high atmospheric pressure, water above sky, greenhouse effect, no climate change, average constant temperature. All that support healthy and long life, for humans, plants and animals. Yet God maintained life as we can see today in seed for example. You put an apple seed in the ground and next year there is a tree. Science explain that seed is draining energy from the earth and grow, but thats silly atheist explanation as seed cant drain energy, what energy? seed doesnt have receptors.
Lets put a brick into ground and come next year to see a building on that spot, because brick will drain energy from the ground, will attract iron, cement, sand, water and contruct a building.

Today we also know thanks to science that human body cells regenerate completely every 7 years (symbolism from bible maybe 6+1), yet humans die in 80, so scientifically that doesnt make sense and logic, to die when your cells are completely new and fresh. But as we said above, humans disconnected from the source of life and thus cant live longer.

Also we should take into consideration genes: If God created Adam, that mean he was perfect organism, perfect genes. His children had good genes and their children, supported by ancient nature before great flood. After that flood climate changed and nature doesnt support long healthy life anymore, there are storms, rain, climate change, winter, summer, diseases, they harm human genes, children are born with bad genes inherited from parents and their life reduced for 10 times.

Science has never supported the next things:
- High atmospheric pressure
- Water "above the sky"
- No climate change
- Average constant temperature.
- Seed draining "energy" from the earth

You're clearly inventing facts here.

Regenerate means that all cells have died and new one are replacing them. But this doesn't mean that all of the cells in our body are replaced!! That only happens with certain human cells, who the heck told you all of our cells regenerated??

Nature doesn't freaking affect our DNA like that... where do you come up with all this weird ideas? I mean, who is your "teacher"?

I'd be glad to see some bibliography of yours where I could find evidences for all your statements. Will you even dare to find something like that?

Tarafından yazıldı RaulPB, 25.05.2015 at 07:02

Nature doesn't freaking affect our DNA like that... where do you come up with all this weird ideas? I mean, who is your "teacher"?

Technically speaking, nature does affect DNA. Ionizing radiation can and will disrupt DNA structure.

The earth is fairly radioactive and so is that gigantic ball of shining plasma that decorates the midday sky.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 04:37

Tarafından yazıldı Unleashed, 25.05.2015 at 03:29

To make it sound less horrible, we can say that bullet is his medicine.

Nope, that sounds just as goo...I mean bad.

Bullet is reserved for nazis, like your dear leader Hitler taught you - try to conquer the world, if you fail, put a bullet in your head.

If there's one thing anyone knows about me is that I have no, and recognize no leaders. That's the mindset of sheeple like you. I have no need for a leader or master. I lead myself.

Guys!! Hurry up with those meds

Tarafından yazıldı Unleashed, 25.05.2015 at 07:33

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 04:37

Tarafından yazıldı Unleashed, 25.05.2015 at 03:29

To make it sound less horrible, we can say that bullet is his medicine.

Nope, that sounds just as goo...I mean bad.

Bullet is reserved for nazis, like your dear leader Hitler taught you - try to conquer the world, if you fail, put a bullet in your head.

If there's one thing anyone knows about me is that I have no, and recognize no leaders. That's the mindset of sheeple like you. I have no need for a leader or master. I lead myself.

Guys!! Hurry up with those meds

Don't ruin collective security!

Freeing up the bulk of the populace from their societal responsibilities is one of the worst ideas I can imagine.

Tarafından yazıldı International, 25.05.2015 at 07:16

Technically speaking, nature does affect DNA. Ionizing radiation can and will disrupt DNA structure.

The earth is fairly radioactive and so is that gigantic ball of shining plasma that decorates the midday sky.

But that's not what Tito means.... put my sentence into his context... Of course, sun radiation could completely destroy our DNA chains and kill us. You can consider the sun as something natural, so yeah, nature can affect our DNA. You can also consider some poisons, which affects directly our DNA, as natural. Of course you can. But I insist, Tito doesn't even talk about this, I'm not even sure he knows these facts. I quote from his post: "there are storms, rain, climate change, winter, summer, diseases, they harm human genes".

Btw, the Earth is not radioactive. It reflexes some percentage of the solar radiation back to space but that is not considered to be radioactive as the Earth doesn't generate its own radiation.

Tarafından yazıldı RaulPB, 25.05.2015 at 09:13

Btw, the Earth is not radioactive. It reflexes some percentage of the solar radiation back to space but that is not considered to be radioactive as the Earth doesn't generate its own radiation.

The earth is radioactive!

Come on... someone as well educated as you? You don't know the treasure mine of U-238 we live on?

Tarafından yazıldı International, 25.05.2015 at 09:26

The earth is radioactive!
Come on... someone as well educated as you? You don't know the treasure mine of U-238 we live on?

LOL. Just LOL XD. Do you know the percentage of Uranium in the whole world? It's roughly 0.00002%. Do you know the intensity of its radioactiveness and its range?? Do you realize that the most dangerous is actually the 235U during nuclear fission, which is something that doesn't happen in nature by itself?? Uranium has a half-life so long that its radioactiveness is not strong enough to be considered as a world wide radioactivity, can't even be measured as one since it's range is fairly short or else the human kind would have perished cause of the effects of that radioactiveness.

You can not compare uranium's radioactivity with the Sun's radioactivity, never!

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 09:53

You need atleast basic knowledge to understand some things. I cant explain to you 53x63 when you dont know 2+2

I need what? I'm a fucking chemist!! Don't you dare give me science lessons now!! XD

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 09:53

Here you have website with all informations you need:

I will never support biased so-called "scientific researchers". Openly admiting they do what they do to support religion makes them be very biased. Science is not meant to support anything, it supports itself. Without that in mind, it becomes a slave of someone's beliefs and anything can presumably be "proven" as right. I can't give any credit to such web and so would think any correct scientist.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 09:53

first video with translation, there is 20h material but only 1h translated because not enough time to do everything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pc4JIcrux4

Will watch it when I've got some time (not sure if it will be actually to watch it or laugh about it...)
Btw, a respected and true scientist would speak in english. That guy has nothing around in english... not a good impression. No articles, nothing published... bla, doesn't even deserve my time.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 09:53

Science is applied logic

You clearly don't know what science is... from Wikipedia:

Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe. In an older and closely related meaning, "science" also refers to this body of knowledge itself, of the type that can be rationally explained and reliably applied.

Logic can't always be reliably applied nor be testable. Logic can be wrong. A repeated experiment with many in situ proofs and facts to explain it can't be wrong. Everything you talk to this point are mere hypothesis and whining from some biased religious people who think of "reasons" to try to confirm their own stubborn beliefs.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 09:53

I cant explain to you 53x63 when you dont know 2+2

interestingly enough according to the Bible the number PI = 3.00

Guess God is not so good at math ...

Tarafından yazıldı RaulPB, 25.05.2015 at 09:54

Tarafından yazıldı International, 25.05.2015 at 09:26

The earth is radioactive!
Come on... someone as well educated as you? You don't know the treasure mine of U-238 we live on?

LOL. Just LOL XD. Do you know the percentage of Uranium in the whole world? It's roughly 0.00002%. Do you know the intensity of its radioactiveness and its range?? Do you realize that the most dangerous is actually the 235U during nuclear fission, which is something that doesn't happen in nature by itself?? Uranium has a half-life so long that its radioactiveness is not strong enough to be considered as a world wide radioactivity, can't even be measured as one since it's range is fairly short or else the human kind would have perished cause of the effects of that radioactiveness.

You can not compare uranium's radioactivity with the Sun's radioactivity, never!

Almost zero is not zero.

The earth is radioactive. Besides, U-238 decays into something else that is radioactive, which then decays into something else that is also radioactive...

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 10:16

Facepalm... I am speechless now, i dont know what to say after this sentence of yours...

If you knew anything about science you'd understand that english is the science language. And even if you know anything about science, you'd still need to know it since even relevant chinese or japanese scientists write articles in english. These ones are the really important publications. A local publication with no value will be published in the local language; a valuable article with important information with a true reasoning behind it, with a scientific basis and wide acceptance will always be published in english.

That guy doesn't have a single web that explains his work in english. Doesn't even have any scientific published article... what does that mean in the scientific world? His work, if he has done any, is useless / wrong / unaccepted for laking a scientific basis.

Tarafından yazıldı Goblin, 25.05.2015 at 10:29

interestingly enough according to the Bible the number PI = 3.00

Guess God is not so good at math ...

Is that true?

Tarafından yazıldı RaulPB, 25.05.2015 at 14:33

Tarafından yazıldı Goblin, 25.05.2015 at 10:29

interestingly enough according to the Bible the number PI = 3.00

Guess God is not so good at math ...

Is that true?

No of course its not true ...God didn't wrote or dictated the Bible verses

Tarafından yazıldı International, 25.05.2015 at 10:30

Almost zero is not zero.

The earth is radioactive. Besides, U-238 decays into something else that is radioactive, which then decays into something else that is also radioactive...

I think you don't completely understand what radioactivity stands for... The Earth is not radioactive, but the Uranium in it is. The sun is radioactive since the total entirety of it is a fucking nuclear fusion plant. Just look at my freaking avatar picture! For god sake, where's the similarity between it and the Earth??

Yeah yeah, we all know how it works... untill it ends producing lead. What's your point with that? It takes more than 4 million years to irradiate a certain amount of energy. If we do an average, the result is a negligible amount of energy irradiated per year.

Tarafından yazıldı Goblin, 25.05.2015 at 14:36

No of course its not true ...God didn't wrote or dictated the Bible verses

lol what I meant is that if the bible actually said that Pi is 3 XD

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 11:58

You ask very easy questions for a chemist. Didnt you learn basic chemisty and physics in elementary or high school?

Of course I do, why would I ask you more complicated questions when it's obvious you don't really understand much about science in general when I already do? I've learned much more than simple and basic chemistry or physics... that was just an absurd question but since you asked me about it, did you? Did you actually learn them? Or did a priest brainwash you?

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 11:58

And i condemn nuclear scientists, they are biased in their atomic research.
I will never support weapon scientists, they are biased in their work
I dont support scientists in german car industry, they openly admit they are supporting car industry.

I denounce science because scientists use it in their field of expertise to support their field of work and thus cant be proven right.

According to your own words you should denounce those so called religious scientists. Anyway, I completely agree with the essence of your message. Some people mix up science with personal business. That's science personal doom. Sometimes it does happen and they are telling the truth, sometimes they don't tell all the truth, in which case is all about one doing the right research or being critic enough to compare their words to the reality. There is always a backdraw for everything, so it's usually up to theirselves to find this disadvantage. Anyhow, you shouldn't generalize about it, this only affects studies proposed by certain multinational business. Ethic scientists will point out both the advantages and the disadvantages and this isn't a minority.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 11:58

Analogy to what you just said is: we are car shopping, and we found very nice car for you but your excuse is 'look at the tires, they dont suit the terrain in my village, lets go look some other cars'.

If the tires are the biggest problem for you, then you need someone to guide you so you dont make mistake about cars.

I will stop this conversation if you continue to misbehave. lols and bla doesnt concern me and i dont want to waste time on people(child) using them especially in same time when they want to discuss serious topics.

You're talking to a grown up, I don't have any problem in admiting that I'm 22 and I'm a chemist, I don't think you'll find a more adecuate person to talk about science around here but me. You can try attack me by saying I'm a kid but that doesn't make you nor your words correct. You're the one missbehaving and not taking me serious by what you use as a support for your statements. I'm a freaking scientist! Your reasoning is laughable at my eyes! It may work with a ignorant who knows nothing about basic scientifical knowledge, not with me.

Your analogy is totally wrong, my point would be that if we're gonna buy a car, let's ask an unbiased car expert first and then decide which car would be the best option. Try again.

Tarafından yazıldı RaulPB, 25.05.2015 at 15:36

lol what I meant is that if the bible actually said that Pi is 3 XD

Yes ...Bible also claims bats are birds. Of course we know bats are mammals.

Tarafından yazıldı RaulPB, 25.05.2015 at 14:42

Tarafından yazıldı International, 25.05.2015 at 10:30

Almost zero is not zero.

The earth is radioactive. Besides, U-238 decays into something else that is radioactive, which then decays into something else that is also radioactive...

I think you don't completely understand what radioactivity stands for... The Earth is not radioactive, but the Uranium in it is. The sun is radioactive since the total entirety of it is a fucking nuclear fusion plant. Just look at my freaking avatar picture! For god sake, where's the similarity between it and the Earth??

Yeah yeah, we all know how it works... untill it ends producing lead. What's your point with that? It takes more than 4 million years to irradiate a certain amount of energy. If we do an average, the result is a negligible amount of energy irradiated per year.

Um... hypocrisy much? The sun is mostly hydrogen and helium, neither of which is radioactive. In fact, in terms of Becquerels of radioactive decay per kilogram of stuff, the Earth is probably more radioactive than the sun is.

The actual stuff that puts out radioactivity (incredible heat, hydrogen/deuterium fusion, etc.) only form a small part of the sun, similar to how radioactive materials form a small part of the Earth.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 16:51

There are scientists who specialize in only one field so they can dedicate their time to research only one thing. Weapons, medicine, machinery, biology, chemistry, mathematics, physics, religion, space et cetera.

We shouldnt denounce them because they dont study and research general science overall forever. Thats only for schools to get students interested and set goals to pursue careers.

The problem being, the site that you quoted explicitly states that their purpose is to "promote scientific justification of the biblical concept of creation."

Real science is about deriving conclusions from empirical data - not deriving empirical data to match the conclusion, as those guys are doing.

Tarafından yazıldı Skanderbeg, 25.05.2015 at 16:51

Well i thought you are a bit older, 22 is still a school age lol. Even with 30 you will still be a kid to older men. Im 50 and even i have to accept when older folks call me 'you're still a kid, boy'. Take Henry Kissinger(91), Helmuth Schmidt(96) or Mikhail Gorbachev(84) for example. What would they say when you mention how old are you, and take in consideration they are 40 years older than me

I'm 15. So what? Ad hominem much?

RaulPB could be a crying 20-month old baby for as far as you care, and that still won't prove your point. The fact being, neither of you have presented any valid credentials ("age" is not a valid credential, especially when you can't present evidence for it), so neither of you gets to ignore the other for being a kid.

Anyone with a brain, who reads the bible, will begin to seriously question that shit LOL

billions of people talking and following a book they NEVER read

funny planet

Tarafından yazıldı Unleashed, 26.05.2015 at 02:35

billions of people talking and following a book they NEVER read

This is the real truth ...first of all most believers never even read the Bible and secondly NO ONE ever read the original texts. Today's Bible is a product of hundreds of years of bad translations, deliberately done corrections, add on's, removals of unfit parts... and to claim that all of this was done with the guidance and instructions from God himself is a nice ad hoc argument of a funny God who had to edit his book thousands of times only to end up with many different versions.

But i guess the devil had something to do with that ...

I have to say tho that i have read the Revelation and its really powerful stuff, best fantasy novel i ever read ...the antagonist and protagonist are beautifully unclear.

Tarafından yazıldı International, 25.05.2015 at 22:58

Um... hypocrisy much? The sun is mostly hydrogen and helium, neither of which is radioactive. In fact, in terms of Becquerels of radioactive decay per kilogram of stuff, the Earth is probably more radioactive than the sun is.

The actual stuff that puts out radioactivity (incredible heat, hydrogen/deuterium fusion, etc.) only form a small part of the sun, similar to how radioactive materials form a small part of the Earth.

Hypocrisy? Really? Where? I hope you have an explanation for calling me that...

Pls, do not try to compare the sun radioactivity with the earth's radioactivity!! I just told you they can not be compared! It's a completely different process, just the opposite one to be exact.
"Is probably more radioactive"? Where do you get this from? I'll repeat this again, the Earth is not radioactive, the whole is not desintegrating! It's the Uranium and Thorium in it, that's all, it's not even a 0.0001% of the whole Earth! That would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. The process that these elements suffer is called fission and can take place at mild conditions but it's really really really slow. So slow that the radiation is weak, very weak. Overall, you have a < 0.0001% of the Earth irradiating a very weak radiation with short range.

Meanwhile, the whole Sun is reacting with itself by a process called fusion. The whole sun is a fusion nuclear plant. It's radioactivity is strong enough to reach the Earth. How can the Earth compete with that!?

The "stuff" you name is the whole Sun. All its atoms participate in the fusion proces. Hidrogen is the most important, of course, cause it can weight up to the 50% of the star's weight. That's a fucking big amount of hydrogen, it takes billions of years to burn it. But also other heavier elements participate in the fusion process and other similar ones which ocurr in the star. All of these processes irradiate a bigger, stronger and further dangerous radioactivity than the fision process. And even if the fusion is not a "fast" process, it's faster than the fission. To sum up: ONLY A SMALL PART OF THE SUN DOESN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING AT ALL OR ELSE THE SUN WOULDN'T SHINE! And that part consists of heavy metals which would need even higher temperatures than the ones in the core of the sun to carry on with the fusion process.

Hope I made myself clear. You can't fucking compare the Earth to the Sun's radioactiveness... pls, give up on this. I can give you a point in admiting that the Earth's radioactive elements produce a certain amount of radioactivity, which heats the core of the Earth, but that's it. Don't compare the 7.000 degrees inside the Earth (partially owing to the radioactivity of Uranium and partially due to the Sun's radioaction absorbed by the Earth) with the 15.000.000 °C in the Sun's core (it's superficial temperature is the same as the Earth's core temperature and you need to remember that the sun is 100 times bigger).