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Tarafından gönderildi Kord, 07.04.2015 - 10:16
It's come to my attention recently that I'm an incredibly unpopular player in this game. Certainly it's not a result of lacking social grace or charisma, but perhaps something less sophisticated and relevant. The game's dueling is something in the last few months I've gotten in to, through self discovery and teaching, and has resulted in the incredible rank and score I've acquired. Surely, that quick jump shouldn't be a problem; but it's the reason I'm writing this today. Although no one has given me a clear-cut, valid argument or regulation for the way we duelers operate, I feel obligated to listen to their wisdom (or lack thereof). So, as the title establishes, the latter portion of this forum is for our collective, educated ideas for dueling so that no one is: misused, tormented, criticized, belabored, or abusive with the dueling process.

One of the thoughts about my dueling which is seen as unfair or cheating is the variety of levels I contest. Yes, I've fought every rank except 1, 2, and the dreaded 13 at a variety of ranks. The furthest rank from my own was a Rank 3 I battled just the other day (I'm Rank 10). The question of course is: Is it unfair that a Rank 10 should be dueling Rank 3s that haven't a chance at winning? The answer is no. Rank means upgrades and it fallaciously assumes skill. Any number of reasons could allow a low ranking character to beat a high ranking character. The low ranking character could be an alt of someone very skillful, the low ranking character could be very skillful but hasn't had the chance to accumulate SP, or any other reason you can imagine. The point is, a character joins a duel because they think they can beat the other person. Whether or not they can is for a later point; the truth of this point is that it's the Rank 3's independent choice to try to win against that Rank 10. I recognize the lack of upgrades a low ranking character can have though, so I propose we establish ranks 0-4 should not fight ranks 5-13 unless extenuating circumstances are present.

The second problem people seem to have with my dueling style is the country I choose and have reserved just for me. Yes, it's true, I kick people that try to pick Wales in Primal's Medieval Europe 1150 when I duel there. Is it because the country is overpowered or anything other than my favorite? No. I duel there because I happened upon Wales and trained there for awhile before deciding to duel regularly. From there I've only lost on that map three times and once (today) as Wales itself. Wales is an exceptionally powerful country, with a superior position, economy, and troop production, it can pack a punch that'll knock down anybody that dares to fight. However, it can be beaten. Today it has been beaten and yesterday it almost had been (Mortimer was taken three times in that duel) and in other non-duel games I've beaten it. Ask Eagle (the Serbian one that beat Wales) or the Troll (guy that I beat when he was Wales) if you want verification. If the country was truly overpowered and unbeatable then it shouldn't be played. I think that's a given.

The last seemingly arguable point people have tried to make with me are the personal settings for a duel (turn time, initial funds, etc) and reserving a country. As far as the settings go, I think the go-to turn time for players should be four minutes unless they're both comfortable with less or a challenge is made for less. That means if two quick players want one minute turns then they can go for it, but I'll play my average pace and win through thoughtful engagement. Starting funds should be agreed upon by the two players but should be just enough to get the most expensive country. I allow 15k starting funds because with that money a person can get any country they desire and are not restricted or barred from good countries like Champagne, but also do not have enough money to spam units unskillfully until they win like in a 50k match. Rare units: none; leave it to skill and not chance.

As for reserving a starting country it should be looked at just like any other rule. If one or both of the players have a country they've trained as and they are capable fighters as it only makes sense for them to duel. It should be established whether or not characters decide to allow reservations or random selection. I think it makes more sense that duelers battle based on things they know rather than what they don't. It wouldn't make sense for a guy that knows fencing to be thrown in to a jousting tournament, or fair if a boxer had to strap on football equipment and not use what skills he actually has. Of course, players can opt to have certain countries banned from duels if they are completely overpowered and unstoppable with certain strats. I've read in the forums a Ukraine with Blitz in EU++ is unstoppable and Macedonia in Ancient World can't be beaten.

Regardless of the circumstances or allowances of my gaming style, it's not my intention to cheat my fellow players in AtWar. Quite the opposite is my intention, if this post has any effect, to educate my fellow players and better the gaming experience for all so that none should do wrong by us. Please post your thoughts on the matter.
08.04.2015 - 11:00
Tarafından yazıldı Google, 08.04.2015 at 10:18

Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 10:09

Tarafından yazıldı Google, 08.04.2015 at 09:54

Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 09:12

8 out of the top 12 season elo players at the moment, i would say are legit


Am I legit? I mean, at least I don't duel noobs in beginners room like Zombie.... XD

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You are indeed legit for an ancient fag

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whats wrong with being an ancient fag ?
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08.04.2015 - 11:04
Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 11:00

Tarafından yazıldı Google, 08.04.2015 at 10:18

Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 10:09

Tarafından yazıldı Google, 08.04.2015 at 09:54

Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 09:12

8 out of the top 12 season elo players at the moment, i would say are legit


Am I legit? I mean, at least I don't duel noobs in beginners room like Zombie.... XD

<3

You are indeed legit for an ancient fag

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whats wrong with being an ancient fag ?

I want to play eu
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08.04.2015 - 11:13
Tarafından yazıldı Google, 08.04.2015 at 11:04


I want to play eu

what better motivation than to keep all that elo you have farmed in ancient. Euro duel :? I will play in rank 7 acc
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08.04.2015 - 11:18
Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 11:13

Tarafından yazıldı Google, 08.04.2015 at 11:04


I want to play eu

what better motivation than to keep all that elo you have worked for in ancient. Euro duel :? I will play in rank 7 acc

Lol, still working on getting good... So no
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08.04.2015 - 11:25
Tarafından yazıldı Google, 08.04.2015 at 09:54

Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 09:12

8 out of the top 12 season elo players at the moment, i would say are legit


Am I legit? I mean, at least I don't duel noobs in beginners room like Zombie.... XD

<3



Well if we don´t count some ranks 4 yes u could be legit
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08.04.2015 - 11:29
Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 09:12

8 out of the top 12 season elo players at the moment, i would say are legit



I would say less than 8
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08.04.2015 - 11:37
Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 11:29

Tarafından yazıldı hormigaatomica, 08.04.2015 at 09:12

Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 08:53

8 out of the top 12 season elo players at the moment, i would say are legit


I would say less than 8

Tarafından yazıldı hormigaatomica, 08.04.2015 at 08:53


Almost all of the duellers farm, i think the only one doesn´t do that is zone..


But more than just zone?
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08.04.2015 - 11:41
Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 11:37

Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 11:29

Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 09:12

Tarafından yazıldı hormigaatomica, 08.04.2015 at 08:53

8 out of the top 12 season elo players at the moment, i would say are legit


I would say less than 8

Tarafından yazıldı hormigaatomica, 08.04.2015 at 08:53


Almost all of the duellers farm, i think the only one doesn´t do that is zone..


But more than just zone?



Maybe, i´m not sure i don´t go checking the profiles of all the players.

But if we would try to check them we could get some surprises surely.
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08.04.2015 - 11:48
Tarafından yazıldı hormigaatomica, 08.04.2015 at 11:41


Maybe, i´m not sure i don´t go checking the profiles of all the players.


Lies
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08.04.2015 - 11:52
Tarafından yazıldı Sun Tsu, 08.04.2015 at 11:48

Tarafından yazıldı hormigaatomica, 08.04.2015 at 11:41


Maybe, i´m not sure i don´t go checking the profiles of all the players.


Lies



What do u mean, about the list, about the checking all the players profiles, both things?
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08.04.2015 - 16:26
I agree with you Kord.

To everybody else: You guys have three options:

1) Cry.
2) Start to actually find a counter to Kord's Wales.
3) Silence yourself and never play Kord.




I think I had show so many times that germany is a counter to ukraine, that Mozambique can beat Cameroon, That France-Italy-Ukraine combo stand a chance against the "op" germ-uk combo, that even Blitz ukraine can be defeat.

Did u saw me crying about that? No. Rather, I found a counter to what you guys called "op, unbeatable, unstoppable".

Now you guys are here, defaming Kord for his playstyle. Is easier to make a thread rather than actually try to find a counter to said combo. I wonder who are the really "competitive" player here
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08.04.2015 - 16:40
Hey Clovis...


You have shown shit btw. with germany against my Ukraine ...i would beat the shit out of you 100 out of 100 times.

No lie please forums for descripting your counter.
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08.04.2015 - 16:55
Tarafından yazıldı Goblin, 08.04.2015 at 16:40

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You had played me only two times man...

Is like if I say luxembourg is the strongest country of the world because I manage to beat a France player with it, one time. Or coming more closer, than Germany > Italy since I don't remember losing against you once with said combo. Either way, I am sure that I had beat you more ways than you had beat me as Germany vs Italy.

Now, before you ever try to counter myself with my own argument, unlike you I am not based on just two times. I've played lot of people before I ever reach that conclusion.

"So I hit goblin... time to claim I am on topic like cow does! "

But this is irrelevant to this case. Just use it fo describe how you guys always defame someone when something has been found "op". Now wales is op?
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08.04.2015 - 16:57
Tarafından yazıldı clovis1122, 08.04.2015 at 16:55

But this is irrelevant to this case.

You know whats irrelevant? ...wales. What is relevant is someone leaving a duel if he doesn't get a specific country.

Btw. only two times clovis? ...that was enough, since you couldn't fart in does two games.

P.S. i swear a god i didn't understand half the shit you wrote. Stop acting like you are smart by writing tons of text that doesnt mean shit.
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08.04.2015 - 16:59
Tarafından yazıldı Goblin, 08.04.2015 at 16:57

What is relevant is someone leaving a duel if he doesn't get a specific country.


That is a society problem, not a reason for defame someone.

I should defame you because you like to duel high ranks?
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08.04.2015 - 17:03
Tarafından yazıldı clovis1122, 08.04.2015 at 16:55

Tarafından yazıldı Goblin, 08.04.2015 at 16:40

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You had played me only two times man...

Is like if I say luxembourg is the strongest country of the world because I manage to beat a France player with it, one time. Or coming more closer, than Germany > Italy since I don't remember losing against you once with said combo. Either way, I am sure that I had beat you more ways than you had beat me as Germany vs Italy.

Now, before you ever try to counter myself with my own argument, unlike you I am not based on just two times. I've played lot of people before I ever reach that conclusion.

"So I hit goblin... time to claim I am on topic like cow does! "

But this is irrelevant to this case. Just use it fo describe how you guys always defame someone when something has been found "op". Now wales is op?



It´s not as simply like that.

He kicks the people who picks wales, play mostly low ranks, make the game like a dictator, etc...

It´s the same case than turkey in europe if u set a game with more than 10k

Turkey will be the op country cause his starting units and his reinfs

Or india in 50k.

And kicking people who picks that countries.
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08.04.2015 - 17:04
Tarafından yazıldı clovis1122, 08.04.2015 at 16:59

That is a society problem, not a reason for defame someone.

I should defame you because you like to duel high ranks?

I correct myself ...please write tons of text, because less looks even worst.
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08.04.2015 - 17:04
He asked and people is giving his opinion.
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08.04.2015 - 17:05
Tarafından yazıldı hormigaatomica, 08.04.2015 at 17:03

He kicks the people who picks wales, play mostly low ranks, make the game like a dictator, etc...


Don't join his games. End of the discussion.
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08.04.2015 - 17:34
Tarafından yazıldı Goblin, 08.04.2015 at 16:40

Hey Clovis...


THANKS AND A THOUSAND THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS!! APRECIATED!! XDDD
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08.04.2015 - 17:46
Tarafından yazıldı Goblin, 08.04.2015 at 16:40

Hey Clovis...



lol gob youre on fire these days
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08.04.2015 - 19:40
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Maybe try engaging in fair play for everyone and people will give you a small measure of respect.

As for the rest of this thread, what a mess. Locked.
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